tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post60215608257420948..comments2024-03-12T11:58:24.510+13:00Comments on Otagosh: Noah and the PreachersGavin Rhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17965552923012880262noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-13879556209104211212011-12-06T20:14:27.373+13:002011-12-06T20:14:27.373+13:00meanwhile in Atlanta<a href="http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/megachurchs-future-uncertain-after-1251961.html" rel="nofollow">meanwhile in Atlanta</a>JFGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17162960571221474775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-70585177050388219512011-12-04T12:18:19.087+13:002011-12-04T12:18:19.087+13:00Hey Velvet, I wasn't worried about the correct...Hey Velvet, I wasn't worried about the correct exegesis of the bible concerning the nature of Jesus, no one agrees on it anyway - and never have.<br /><br />Personally, I doubt that Jesus ever even existed and I know from the contradictory and mythological nature of the gospels that the magical Jesus of the gospels didn't exist.<br /><br />Jesus, if he existed, was a man and not a god-man. That's the stuff that myths are made of and there were plenty of god-men already around in those days.<br /><br />Nope, I don't believe a devil was foreshadowing Jesus by inventing those myths either.Corkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15894537940881776504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-46981191951179227552011-12-04T08:44:20.845+13:002011-12-04T08:44:20.845+13:00Masse has come up with a date for the comet impact...Masse has come up with a date for the comet impact based on several different factors: May 10, 2807BC<br /><br />More info:<br /><br />http://www.christiannewswire.com/ news/4882516528.html<br /><br />Is this evidence? No, it isn't perfect. But, it is probably as good as you can get, considering that you are talking about a cataclysm that might have destroyed every coastal city on Earth. And, there weren't that many literate people at the time anyway. Most of those would have been killed.larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11207263922457941293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-40635872178021608122011-12-04T07:33:04.990+13:002011-12-04T07:33:04.990+13:00"there is an excellent possibility that the &..."there is an excellent possibility that the "Flood" did indeed happen, as the result of a comet impact in the Indian Ocean."<br /><br />Evidence Larry, evidence? Or is this just the usual apologetic strategy of clutching at straws while crying 'hallelujah'?Gavin Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17965552923012880262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-39388898316559481812011-12-04T05:58:57.370+13:002011-12-04T05:58:57.370+13:00While it is fairly obvious that some parts of Gene...While it is fairly obvious that some parts of Genesis are allegorical, there is an excellent possibility that the "Flood" did indeed happen, as the result of a comet impact in the Indian Ocean.<br /><br />While it is not physically possible for the entire land mass of the planet to have been inundated (simply not enough water), it is quite possible that the entire known world (ie, the Middle East and environs) could have been.<br /><br />The important aspect of the story is that Noah was forewarned and took action.larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11207263922457941293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-56873019545818821142011-12-03T19:07:26.011+13:002011-12-03T19:07:26.011+13:00Velvet, I can't speak for anyone else, but I f...Velvet, I can't speak for anyone else, but I find it really irritating when you refer to "the Church" - meaning the WCG/GCI - as if we're all aware of what you mean. A good proportion of folk who drop by here have no past involvement in this group. It sometimes seems to me that you're still locked in the closet, unaware you can open the door from the inside. Your commitment to the old paths isn't in question, and there's nothing wrong with that, but I gotta tell you, commitment doesn't require blind, defensive bias.Gavin Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17965552923012880262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-44387725986016050932011-12-03T13:49:51.045+13:002011-12-03T13:49:51.045+13:00Hey Corky,
It seems very odd to me that you are b...Hey Corky,<br /><br />It seems very odd to me that you are bringing the professing Christian trope of "afterlife/Heaven" into our (friendly, I hope) debate here, when neither one of us believes in either concept.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-49401852644148704752011-12-03T10:19:03.025+13:002011-12-03T10:19:03.025+13:00Eh? Something wrong with your math there, Corkster...Eh? Something wrong with <em>your</em> math there, Corkster; "Fully God and fully man" does not equal "200%" -- and to say it does is just reducing the semantics down to the ridiculous.<br /><br />I note that you have also not addressed the point that the professing Christians are starting to actually <em>agree</em> with the Church's teachings that they declared "unorthodox" fifteen years ago, attempting to destroy all of our (eternal) lives in the process.<br /><br />But that's OK, the Americans haven't addressed that point, either...something tells me they're going to live to regret it, if they don't....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-61017862456452767462011-12-03T06:55:23.806+13:002011-12-03T06:55:23.806+13:00Buddy talking on the teevee right now is bemoaning...<i>Buddy talking on the teevee right now is bemoaning the fact that professing Christians can't accept the fact that Christ was/is/will be "fully man and fully God."</i><br /><br />IOW, Jesus was in it for 200%. You know, what with 100% being "fully" and all. <br /><br />Don't worry "it's a mystery" and we'll understand it, by and by, when we die.Corkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15894537940881776504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-84728757126025825972011-12-02T15:12:22.880+13:002011-12-02T15:12:22.880+13:00Kind of ironic that the actual route Christ took t...Kind of ironic that the actual route Christ took to carry his cross-beam, is on the other side of town from the "traditional" idolatrous route taken by professing Christians....and the actual route? Runs <em>through a carpark</em>. Buddy talking on the teevee right now is bemoaning the fact that professing Christians can't accept the fact that Christ was/is/will be "fully man and fully God."<br /><br />Are you listening, Junior?? HWA WAS RIGHT. Even your Evangelical bedfellows are starting to admit it....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-76645590369721324932011-12-02T15:09:29.527+13:002011-12-02T15:09:29.527+13:00In other news, PBS is airing The Story of Jesus, w...In other news, PBS is airing <em>The Story of Jesus</em>, which suffers from a bit of professing Christian theologianizing and the usual gory death-worship fetishization...but at the least the re-enactments have opted <em>not</em> to go for the clean-shaven, white, long-haired fairy idol...they couldn't quite commit to the full-length beard, though.<br /><br />Can't find a link to the video on the PBS site, sorry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-52091248738422772642011-12-02T03:44:35.246+13:002011-12-02T03:44:35.246+13:00How true, but where are these church pastor types ...How true, but where are these church pastor types and what kind of church do they end up with? <br /><br />You know, "well if that's not literally true, then is this not literally true either?"<br /><br />Critically thinking pastors, (would you become one if you were in your youth?) leave in stages or finally reach critical mass of non belief where one more step and they may as well give up the paycheck. I have seen some pastors do a great dance and keep the career lifelong though they believe little of it literally. Usually they have written enough books to keep themselves from starvation once the magisterium catches on. <br /><br />I admire a Bart Ehrman who can believe little or none of it and teach theology in a university setting, to some who want to pastor! What a gig!<br /><br />The first 11 chapters of Genesis are pure myth or at least rewrites of Sumerian tales. I still wonder what the Sumerians were conveying and is there any kernel of a distant memory in them. But if we are only left with possible kernels, then I doubt not believeing or understanding them will lead us into an everburning hell.<br /><br />A real Deity bent on informing us all would update, restate and clarify once in awhile to make up for transmission problemsDennisCDiehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10417850852638492246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-5584968166342986322011-12-02T01:13:44.107+13:002011-12-02T01:13:44.107+13:00Yes, yes, yes. I recall the Art of Dissembling be...Yes, yes, yes. I recall the Art of Dissembling being taught in nearly every class in seminary. The reasons given were that you don't want to upset the faithful and you don't want to give people any cause to think you don't believe your vows.John Shuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00798753206614838161noreply@blogger.com