tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post198518911352433212..comments2024-03-12T11:58:24.510+13:00Comments on Otagosh: Joe Tkach - the Final Curtain?Gavin Rhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17965552923012880262noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-30196418321526248412022-03-09T17:47:22.590+13:002022-03-09T17:47:22.590+13:00Member in Bismarck late 60s, should have split aft...Member in Bismarck late 60s, should have split after 72 became a lie. Gradually God has brought me back and last 20 years has revealed reformed theology to me for which I'm massively gratefulAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14017981785745349072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-43494980284205227532021-08-11T08:22:27.741+12:002021-08-11T08:22:27.741+12:00I was a member from 1976 I was 10 years old Till 1...I was a member from 1976 I was 10 years old Till 1990 Buffalo NY church David Pack was the ministerAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06726074357540849849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-14530898459557643582021-03-01T03:01:21.071+13:002021-03-01T03:01:21.071+13:00So now you're free and enjoying the Pagan wors...So now you're free and enjoying the Pagan worship of men? lol... Good for you.American Stereohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10483337385718080596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-43003173107089403032021-03-01T03:00:17.044+13:002021-03-01T03:00:17.044+13:00Don't be bitter, You're just a man who God...Don't be bitter, You're just a man who God has caused a delusion not to see his Truth. It all works out in the end... : ) American Stereohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10483337385718080596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-65591344646879258702019-10-01T02:30:04.721+13:002019-10-01T02:30:04.721+13:00Where did you attend church and who was the minist...Where did you attend church and who was the minister? American Stereohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04376646501864092670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-31337103608956947642019-10-01T02:28:49.351+13:002019-10-01T02:28:49.351+13:00You do know David was a man after Gods own heart? ...You do know David was a man after Gods own heart? Sounds like you don't believe the Bible is the ordained word of God...American Stereohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04376646501864092670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-86648890718284465882018-10-07T12:27:27.214+13:002018-10-07T12:27:27.214+13:00😎😎Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12739744949767816491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-78503676687627077162018-10-07T12:15:47.039+13:002018-10-07T12:15:47.039+13:00Acts 13 Verse 22
Romans 3: versus 10 through 12
Ro...Acts 13 Verse 22<br />Romans 3: versus 10 through 12<br />Romans 8 verse 33<br />Matthew 7 verses 1 through 3<br />I was a member of the worldwide Church of God for over 15 years when was coming up to the church and being used for the purposes of the church through the ministry it is a fact that the wcg did not understand the New Covenant and the elders in conjunction with Joe to cut did come to some new understandings but I also believe that they fell short as well.... if you believe in Scripture if you believe in the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ is the son of God let God be concerned with those things that are present on this Earth seek your own salvation I think would be the best advice<br /> God judges!!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12739744949767816491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-498970098188025682017-10-29T20:09:44.617+13:002017-10-29T20:09:44.617+13:00I was brainwashed in this cult from age 12 til 25....I was brainwashed in this cult from age 12 til 25. It's up there with scientology as evil and manipulativeKangaruccihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16422050937343387446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-67495615041183648932017-06-06T09:58:11.999+12:002017-06-06T09:58:11.999+12:00Why don't you folks quit your gossip and hashi...Why don't you folks quit your gossip and hashing about JT and pray for him instead?Jonjonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12739321754965208597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-27744099629488732132016-12-10T02:26:29.949+13:002016-12-10T02:26:29.949+13:00Tkach Jnr & Snr were downright thieves. !!!Tkach Jnr & Snr were downright thieves. !!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14295687140124677470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-66682163035254468842016-06-16T19:09:22.917+12:002016-06-16T19:09:22.917+12:00If I remember correctly, Joe Jr. had quite a few t...If I remember correctly, Joe Jr. had quite a few troubles when he was in the employ of Intel - and he has hated unions ever since. If he removes pension plans, he is breaking a pact between employer and employee which is punishable by law if it can be proven that it is a willful act. Such funds should have been kept in a separate bank account if it was a private company.<br />Just because we are dealing with an organization in the field of religion doesn't change anything. Or shouldn't anyway. But many will, of course, say that our low opinions of both Joe Jr. and his dad are caused by bitterness because it makes it less likely that sheep will listen to common sense.<br />I have never liked Joe Jr. - he appears dishonest and in it for the quick buck.<br /><br />So happy I got out of Armstrongism in time to regain clarity of vision!Henrik V Blunckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17977028543812049468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-41729391806461266532016-02-01T12:57:06.420+13:002016-02-01T12:57:06.420+13:00Larry, I doubt God thinks or intends any such thin...Larry, I doubt God thinks or intends any such thing. I give God credit for more sense than that. <br /><br />What this really shows is that the modern way of evaluating leadership differs from that of bronze-age Palestine. I know, you think the bible is inerrant. It's clear to me the bible has plenty of errors and reflects not a message from God but the writing of bronze-age scribes who were clearly not unbiased but were advocates.<br />The Skeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02327459017793489626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-57422436356655602032016-02-01T04:56:21.877+13:002016-02-01T04:56:21.877+13:00Skeptic, point taken. Apparently though, GOD seems...Skeptic, point taken. Apparently though, GOD seems to think he did some things well, as He intends to place David as King forever, over all of Israel. Your statement is proof positive that the human way of evaluating "leadership" doesn't always jive with God's way.larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11207263922457941293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-42677129437718482972016-01-31T11:43:07.906+13:002016-01-31T11:43:07.906+13:00So who says David did such a great job? Even taki...So who says David did such a great job? Even taking the stories a face value, his rulership doesn't come across as being very beneficial to his people. Large numbers of men were killed in his wars, with widows and orphans left behind. He took multiple wives and neglected wives once he got tired of them. Did he raise his sons to be good rulers? Before and after his death his sons killed each other seeking to succeed him. The son who succeeded him (Solomon) bled the kingdom's economy dry, which set up a split once Solomon died. Tell me, what was it David did that makes you think he was a good king?The Skeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02327459017793489626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-77843700986302370312016-01-31T06:05:00.230+13:002016-01-31T06:05:00.230+13:00Gosh, David was anointed as a king while he was a ...Gosh, David was anointed as a king while he was a teenage shepherd. Somehow I doubt that the people of Israel would have ever even considered him for the position based on his "qualifications".larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11207263922457941293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-60847784945391596892016-01-30T02:41:30.984+13:002016-01-30T02:41:30.984+13:00Criminal? Hell no! He's the Ronald Reagan o...Criminal? Hell no! He's the Ronald Reagan of churchdom. He totally fragged an evil empire which was based on extrabiblical theories and lying prophecies. How many of us would have gladly taken up contributions to pay someone to do exactly that? It was an abusive and coercive organization that in a perfect world should have disbanded and fallen apart immediately after the big lie of 1975 failed to validate.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-78126921017051691932016-01-29T10:43:14.908+13:002016-01-29T10:43:14.908+13:00"When I read comments like those of Skeptic&#..."When I read comments like those of Skeptic's above, I often wonder just WHO would satisfy the "criteria" for being the head of a Church".<br /><br />OK, here are a few hints. You may not be the best qualified man to be leader of the church IF:<br /><br />1. You were not even on the payroll as a minister prior to your father becoming leader, then suddenly you got promotion after promotion by - guess who? - your father. <br /><br />2. You were a factory foreman until your father became leader of the church, THEN got quickly promoted to Evangelist by your father.<br /><br />3. You would not even have been among the contenders prior to your father becoming leader of the church, BUT your father is the only one who gets to vote!<br /> <br />4. You got the job because your father named you second-in-charge and then died.<br /><br />I could go on and on.<br /><br />Yes, Joe Jr. got lucky. This is a man who was a factory worker, earning what a factory worker earns. His father died and left him a church, after which he has paid himself a six-figure salary from 1995 to present. Sincere people donated to WCG from inception to 1995 with the intent that this money be used to preach the gospel as HWA taught it. This man instead stopped preaching the gospel as we understood it, sold off the assets and used the proceeds to pay himself. That's unethical and would be criminal in any field other than religion (protected by separation of church and state). <br />The Skeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02327459017793489626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-81134660422941237612016-01-29T09:53:57.966+13:002016-01-29T09:53:57.966+13:00I could name five people immediately, quite off th...I could name five people immediately, quite off the top of my head, who would have been better, more qualified leaders than Joe Jr. Of course none had a chance in the Byzantine system of nepotistic patronage that reigns in GCI and its splinters. The key words here are <b>legitimacy, accountability</b> and a <b>mandate</b> from the membership. Of course if none of that means anything to you then Joe is a fine leadership choice, along with the other despots who rule in a thousand sects. <br /><br />I've beaten the keyboard on this issue more times than I care to remember. For the record"<br /><br /><a href="http://otagosh.blogspot.co.nz/2015/01/groundhog-day-in-grace-communion.html" rel="nofollow">Groundhog Day in GCI</a><br /><a href="http://otagosh.blogspot.co.nz/2012/01/dark-and-deceitful-reformation.html" rel="nofollow">A Dark & deceitful reformation</a><br /><a href="http://otagosh.blogspot.co.nz/2015/01/wisdom-ignored.html" rel="nofollow">Wisdom ignored</a><br />Gavin Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17965552923012880262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-18560040595432119352016-01-29T08:32:17.009+13:002016-01-29T08:32:17.009+13:00When I read comments like those of Skeptic's a...When I read comments like those of Skeptic's above, I often wonder just WHO would satisfy the "criteria" for being the head of a Church, or any church for that matter. The Catholics wrestle with this every time a Pope dies, and the process by which this is accomplished is still a closely-guarded secret, or more likely, a mystery.<br /><br /> So Joe, Jr. got "lucky"? I am not sure that becoming the head of such an organization places a person in the category of good fortune? After all, since he has been there, he has been targeted by all kinds of people. Maybe it is jealousy, maybe it is just meanness. I don't know.larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11207263922457941293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-52760670138372766572016-01-25T02:34:50.736+13:002016-01-25T02:34:50.736+13:00I've always had mixed feelings about this man....I've always had mixed feelings about this man. Clearly he would never in our wildest dreams have been "pastor general" of a church based on his own ability or accomplishment. He got lucky and inherited the church from his Dad. He's been able to pay himself a good income the past 20+ by winding down the church's assets and using the proceeds to pay himself. Now he's retirement age and he's tired. So let him retire - who cares? The world isn't fair. Lots of people get rich unfairly. He's one of them.<br /><br />Goodbye Joe Jr. I'm sure you've got a nice 401K nest egg and will have a comfortable retirement.The Skeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02327459017793489626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-30352742609196535762016-01-24T09:27:10.815+13:002016-01-24T09:27:10.815+13:00Yet another take: Ruining the Raises.Yet another take: <a href="http://hwarmstrong.com/blog/?p=8237" rel="nofollow">Ruining the Raises</a>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-39906146853330645912016-01-22T03:36:40.593+13:002016-01-22T03:36:40.593+13:00Tired. Tired. Tired.
That seems to be the keyword...Tired. <i>Tired.</i> <b>Tired</b>.<br /><br />That seems to be the keyword here.<br /><br />Just where is that life and fire of Christianity? Where is the burning desire to spread the Good News of Redemption? Where is the enthusiasm (Greek enthousiasmos, from enthous ‘possessed by a god, inspired’ (based on theos ‘god’)? The energy?<br /><br />Has his get up and go gotten up and gone?<br /><br />Compare his energyless existence with that of the fiery Herbert Armstrong, shouting, waving his arms (pointing up into the air), the relentless pursuit (sounds like a board game Milton-Bradley might want to sponsor) of cult religious excellence.<br /><br />Yes, compare.<br /><br />Then it won't be much of a stretch to understand why GCI is failing: He didn't inherit high grip -- or maybe he's lost his grip.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-56087269683702893792016-01-22T01:31:02.081+13:002016-01-22T01:31:02.081+13:00Do you want Christian 'Salvation'?
Then y...Do you want Christian 'Salvation'?<br /> Then you will need to have 10% your Church-tax go to the Eggheads at Glendora,<br /> who can interpret Karl Barth and keep you in compliance with Orthodox Theology Minimalisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07394978086891772878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-51503385556280311822016-01-21T16:04:58.044+13:002016-01-21T16:04:58.044+13:00Hey, Joe, where you goin' with that loot of yo...Hey, Joe, where you goin' with that loot of yours? / I said, hey Joe, where you goin' with that loot in your hand? / I'm gettin' out while the gettin's good / You know, I'm kinda tired of runnin' the show / And that ain't too cool / It's time to take the money and go...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com