tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post3073055123109355124..comments2024-03-12T11:58:24.510+13:00Comments on Otagosh: Mile High Herb?Gavin Rhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17965552923012880262noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-17387690307558778832011-12-15T14:24:39.037+13:002011-12-15T14:24:39.037+13:00Corky,
"In fact, the local pastors tried to ...Corky,<br /><br /><em>"In fact, the local pastors tried to convince my mother that getting the operation that would have saved her life would be the wise course to take."</em><br /><br />I am very very sorry that your mother could not be convinced by the local pastor, Corky; it is a horrible thing that your mother refused treatment and died earlier than she would have otherwise; but you say yourself that the local pastor(s) tried to convince her to seek medical care.<br /><br />Again, I am very very sorry your mother would not listen to the advice offered to her, and that you lost her earlier than you would have otherwise (and to a more terrible death). I am sorry, too, for other members in the Church who, acting very poorly in their capacity as parents, made similar bad decisions for their children. <br /><br />I do NOT deny that members IN the Church made such bad decisions, for themselves, and for their children; in fact, I have never denied that.<br /><br />I do personally believe that abuses of power took place IN the Church. I do not believe, however, that these abuses of power had anything to do with the teachings and doctrines OF the Church, at least in my personal experience (and I have said as much, to Church members and ministers).<br /><br />As for "the healing doctrine" I think that was largely dependent on the area; I know that I (and several of the children I grew up with) would not be alive today, if such a "doctrine" had been in place, or if something like that was being enforced by the area ministry. This was in the early to mid-1980s, in a congregation that prided itself (wrongly, I admit) on being "hardliners."<br /><br />"The healing doctrine" is/was definitely not as black-and-white as it is sometimes made out to be, in my opinion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-77050107541814231922011-12-14T10:44:33.208+13:002011-12-14T10:44:33.208+13:00I would say the Associated Press release was accur...I would say the Associated Press release was accurate. No one got sued, not even the ex-wcg people that 'headquarters' wanted to keep quiet about it - people who would have been easy targets...<br /><br />Yes, it happened and so did all the false prophesy mentioned in the AR too. And yes, it was HWA and GTA who preached against seeing doctors and getting vaccinations etc.<br /><br />It wasn't the local pastor that preached the doctrine that killed my own mother. In fact, the local pastors tried to convince my mother that getting the operation that would have saved her life would be the wise course to take.<br /><br />I don't know who gave you those rose colored glasses and blinders, Velvet, but you need to give 'em back...Corkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15894537940881776504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-3628008843854830582011-12-04T12:12:04.781+13:002011-12-04T12:12:04.781+13:00Do you have a link to the court documents, Douglas...Do you have a link to the court documents, Douglas? Or are you going by the reference to the court documents in the AP release that was printed in a few regional newspapers in the US?<br /><br />Just wondering.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-65750303082969635182011-12-02T06:00:45.841+13:002011-12-02T06:00:45.841+13:00Court documents from the divorce do have the credi...Court documents from the divorce do have the credibility of <i>evidence</i>, but, of course, these can be easily discounted....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-66943791710568013182011-12-01T12:45:41.524+13:002011-12-01T12:45:41.524+13:00The closest I've ever gotten (back in the days...The closest I've ever gotten (back in the days when I was a stickler for such things) to "the truth" a la <em>Tangled Web</em>, was that "the incest allegations" were "verified" via fifth-hand hearsay from a third-hand source...and this was what was printed in the AR as "gospel truth." <em>Tangled Web</em> of course, is nothing <em>but</em> hearsay, and from a biased source, at that.<br /><br />As Gavin points out, there is incontrovertible (VIDEO) evidence of Garner Ted's sexual crimes available on the Internet; many have speculated why Dorothy would have stayed on with, and worked for, GTA's outfit after the split; Stockholm Syndrome is not unlikely; and GTA is definitely a far more likely candidate (based on actual evidence, not just random hearsay) to have been the sexual abuser in the family, instead of Mr. Armstrong...who was raised in an era, and "of fine Quaker stock," where such things would not even have been imaginable!<br /><br />That's just my take on it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-72805912366354736792011-11-28T04:07:47.014+13:002011-11-28T04:07:47.014+13:00It isn't clear to me whether I saw Herbert Arm...It isn't clear to me whether I saw Herbert Armstrong's dalliances aboard the Gulfstream on the Ambassador Report or whether it was a source somewhere else. It seems to me that he spent some "quality time" with his "hostess" who was either married at the time or married later to the minister in Hawaii.<br /><br />We may never be able to determine the truth for sure. One thing we can be sure of is that yesterday on the Sabbath, one of the leaders of an ACOG railed mightily about "information" about the Armstrongist Churches of God and their leaders which couldn't be proved (but believed anyway). "It's a serious problem in the Churches of God," he said.<br /><br />A rather more serious problem, I would think, would be defending evil without the facts. If the leaders and ministers of Armstrongism are doing good works and have changed for the better because "they have learned from their experiences," let them bring forth the fruit suitable to demonstrate their repentance. For example, let the top leader go out and personally help a member move as happens in the Church of God Seventh Day, where the minister routinely helps members move.<br /><br />Demonstrate your faith by works, instead of wrangling about cattle.<br /><br />We'll all be waiting for a good report.<br /><br />Think on these things.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-73795422036603233282011-11-27T11:46:42.801+13:002011-11-27T11:46:42.801+13:00I also got one of the fist copies when his book wa...I also got one of the fist copies when his book was published. <br /><br />As I read it I thought, "Oh come on, that could not have happened." But then thinking about it I knew it certainly could have. <br /><br />No one outside of Armstrongism could ever come up with those types of scenarios in his book. It would not cross their minds. But those who were a part of Armstrongism can quickly identify with it. While I know a lot of it is fiction, there is far more truth buried in there than many outside the cult will realize.<br /><br />It seems like the further COG ministers were from Pasadena the weirder they were.NO2HWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02018654662518613623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-19272440553998336022011-11-27T05:26:30.527+13:002011-11-27T05:26:30.527+13:00Bizarre, indeed.
I watched an Aaron Dean video me...Bizarre, indeed.<br /><br />I watched an Aaron Dean video message in UCG a couple of weeks ago. (Do a search on its website for the "First Circle.") He noted NONE of the world leaders Herbert Armstrong met ever became baptized. Not even those Japanese "sons" in the Diet.<br /><br />Hmmmm - could this help explain why?!?Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11058030312904622191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-9010386858951948702011-11-26T16:47:37.272+13:002011-11-26T16:47:37.272+13:00Bizarre....
By the way, I knew David Robinson per...Bizarre....<br /><br />By the way, I knew David Robinson personally and fairly well. I wouldn't believe anything he said and even less of what he wrote.larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11207263922457941293noreply@blogger.com