tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post6193073764800709298..comments2024-03-12T11:58:24.510+13:00Comments on Otagosh: Reason vs. IdeologyGavin Rhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17965552923012880262noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-52353499143322540142011-11-06T04:20:28.667+13:002011-11-06T04:20:28.667+13:00The U.S. Constitution calls for Congress to promot...<a href="http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html" rel="nofollow">The U.S. Constitution</a> calls for Congress to promote "science" - but not "religion."<br /><br />Aside from the first amendment mentioning freedom or religion, it states "no religious test shall ever be required" to hold a U.S. office.<br /><br />Fundamentalist Christian groups either have never read this, or clearly oppose it.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11058030312904622191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-66977322509487722562011-11-05T11:37:44.966+13:002011-11-05T11:37:44.966+13:00larry said...
Scientists can be extremely dogmatic...larry said...<br /><i>Scientists can be extremely dogmatic too</i>.<br /><br />Case in point and so predictable. Any excuse to remain clueless and ignorant in favor of having 'all the answers' whispered from on high. <br /><br />"Come unto me all ye heavy laden with facts and evidence and I will give you rest from all that learning and knowledge and give you nonsense to believe instead."Corkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15894537940881776504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-14592382471674459332011-11-05T10:13:56.668+13:002011-11-05T10:13:56.668+13:00I dunno, Gavin, I think the mileage may vary, on t...I dunno, Gavin, I think the mileage may vary, on those "theology" degrees -- the GCI Canada ministers who wanted to go the worldly religious education route, have gone to everything from Baptist to Mennonite "seminary" but the only thing it seems to have given them, is the ability to argue a little less loudly than they used to before, but no less persistently.<br /><br />That said, the ministry in GCI Canada at least is very very much on the same level as the members now, which is certainly a positive improvement, IMO.<br /><br />I personally think the relaxation of the fundamentalist Evangelical extremism that came into the Church in the 1990s was what led to this improvement in the disposition of the ministry, not the adoption of it. <br /><br />Having lived through the changes, I can absolutely verify that, if anything, the authoritarian attitudes of the ministry actually got <em>worse</em> because of the changes, not better. Which is part of the reason why the splits and splinters...and of course the members who never did rely on God, but always followed men...not that there's anyone but one Judge who will steer us all right, on that, in the end.<br /><br />Of course, the other theory is, there's no one left <em>but</em> ministers now, so. Very very very few members I meet these days, were not ordained in some congregation or another, either having been in the past, or now in the present. <br /><br />Who knows? At least my faith is solid, and <em>I'm</em> certainly not persecuted for holding fast to it anymore (before you ask, yes, I am perfectly honest about holding to the Church's former beliefs, and I have not had one single problem yet). Which <em>is</em> one positive change the Church needs to advertise, far and wide, if it wants to rescue all those souls lost out there to the splinter groups, or those moving from one to another to another to another.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-49862272232907756652011-11-05T09:52:20.731+13:002011-11-05T09:52:20.731+13:00Scientists can be extremely dogmatic too.Scientists can be extremely dogmatic too.larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11207263922457941293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-91732077222881386642011-11-05T07:11:42.537+13:002011-11-05T07:11:42.537+13:00Here's the best response.
Cults hate science ...Here's the best <a href="http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/demotivational-posters-science.jpg" rel="nofollow">response</a>.<br /><br />Cults hate science because science is a tool which creates reproducible experiments with consistent results, showing up cults as frauds, because in a cult there is no consistency: It is dysfunctional chaos replete with magical thinking which produces either no results or bad results.<br /><br />But have faith and a miracle may occur by the cult member completely defying scientific principles to do nonsensical things.<br /><br />Jerry Oltion in the Special Feature, "What Science Means to Me" in the latest <i>Analog Science Fiction and Fact</i> January/February 2012 issue, said referring to plastering over the holes created by wrong premises which doesn't agree with observed data:<br /><br /><i><b>That's not science. That's dogma.</b></i><br /><br />He makes this useful suggestion:<br /><br /><i><b>I don't imagine anything I say will change your mind, so I'll just make one suggestion: If you're relying on religion to explain how the Universe works, it would seem to me that you'd want to incorporate the most successful tool for examining the Universe ever invented by mankind -- science -- into your belief system.</b></i><br /><br />I would submit to you that anti-science religionists can't have that because it disturbs the status quo of their idolatry of lust for money by threatening their income. In the end, this is all about money and using the herds of religious slaves as commodities for their own livestock they milk for all they are worth.<br /><br />It is here we can abandon all the empty talk about science and religion and turn to economics, business and accounting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com