tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post6312290233229681471..comments2024-03-12T11:58:24.510+13:00Comments on Otagosh: A Spot of Minimal MythingGavin Rhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17965552923012880262noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-91763687336239801212013-01-03T09:44:11.914+13:002013-01-03T09:44:11.914+13:00I'm with Bart Ehrman: the man Jesus/Yeshua/Jos...<i>I'm with Bart Ehrman: the man Jesus/Yeshua/Joshua probably did exist, as one preacher/prophet/healer amongst many at the time, and was later mythologised and deified.</i><br /><br />Except maybe that hypothesis begs about a thousand questions. One of those questions being, how could Paul have mythologised Jesus as much as he did in only 2 or 3 years? Assuming, of course, that Paul had not drastically changed his doctrines (without anyone noticing) from the time of his conversion until he wrote his epistles. Corkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15894537940881776504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-27482910222462433742013-01-03T01:52:26.230+13:002013-01-03T01:52:26.230+13:00I'm with Bart Ehrman: the man Jesus/Yeshua/Jos...I'm with Bart Ehrman: the man Jesus/Yeshua/Joshua probably did exist, as one preacher/prophet/healer amongst many at the time, and was later mythologised and deified.<br /><br />Gavin -- You've done well to avoid Acharya S. I once reviewed one of her books in Fortean Times, nowhere near as harshly as I could have done. I agreed that she had a perfect right to her view although I disagreed with it, and suggested she might get her message over a little more cogently if she shouted a little less -- it was getting muddied by the low signal:noise ratio in her writing. Methinks she did protest just a tad too much. And then she proved my point perfectly: she responded by sending someone to the next Fortean Times UnConvention armed with a pile of A4 flyers tearing me to shreds in wonderfully vitriolic language, and attacking me as a lackey of the establishment...Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05563567846973942209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-68856301626680041712013-01-01T09:18:41.979+13:002013-01-01T09:18:41.979+13:00Because the Jesus Historicists are actually only a...Because the Jesus Historicists are actually only another sect of Christendom under the quise of historical academic scholarship.<br /><br />Jesus of Nazareth "most certainly did exist" - Bart Ehrman.<br /><br />That's dogma.<br /><br />This sect of Christendom also has doctrines - That Jesus was from Nazareth, that Jesus was an obscure apocalyptic preacher, that Jesus (contradictorily) was well known to be a Galilean, that Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist, that Jesus instituted a ritual called the "last supper", that Jesus was betrayed by Judas to the Sanhedrin, that Jesus was turned over to the Roman authority by the Sanhedrin, that Jesus was crucified by Pontius Pilate, that Jesus was buried in a tomb.<br /><br />The only difference between this sect of Christendom and the rest of Christendom is that in the historical Jesus sect, Jesus was only an ordinary man.<br /><br />Other sects of Christendom have Jesus as either 100% God manifestation (as in Marcionism) or 50% God and 50% man (as in Arianism) or 100% man and 100% God (as in Trinitarianism).<br /><br />Not all that much difference, really, it's the converting of atheists to this new sect of Christendom, called historical Jesus, that's the real bitch. Corkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15894537940881776504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-82849316895693734002013-01-01T08:14:25.701+13:002013-01-01T08:14:25.701+13:00It's amusing to watch evangelical Mike Gantt c...It's amusing to watch evangelical Mike Gantt cozy up to the Historist scholars on Goodacre blog.<br />But how can the Historicists be his friends as they only believe ~5% of NT canon?Minimalisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07394978086891772878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-37910677778904521302012-12-31T09:53:34.788+13:002012-12-31T09:53:34.788+13:00I reckon I'd have to say I'm a mythicist. ...I reckon I'd have to say I'm a mythicist. Not the 'made up out of thin air' mythicist though. I think Jesus is the personification of the 'suffering servant' personification of Isaiah 53 and given the name "Jesus" (Joshua) from Zech. 3. Corkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15894537940881776504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-36333331739114372042012-12-31T03:05:08.554+13:002012-12-31T03:05:08.554+13:00"The seems to be the foreordained objective o..."The seems to be the foreordained objective of modern Biblical Criticism."<br /><br />Far from it. Biblical scholars both religious and secular are doing whatever they can to marginalize anti-historicist proposals. With the influence of American Evangelicals in New Testament studies today, New Testament minimalists will have a much more difficult time than even the Old Testament minimalists did. <br /><br />"It staggers the imagination."<br /><br />It taxes your imagination that someone would make things up and put them in a religious book?Paul D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13483419817200339955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-26796196824304426072012-12-30T06:00:00.290+13:002012-12-30T06:00:00.290+13:00"Jesus did not exist as a historical individu..."Jesus did not exist as a historical individual."<br /><br />The seems to be the foreordained objective of modern Biblical Criticism. From my perspective, it all seems teleological. The idea is not to engage in research but to find every dubious predicate for denying the existence of God, Christ and the veracity of the Bible. It is like reading a Marxist critique of the capitalist system. Is anyone surprised that capitalism will be discovered to be deficient and even malevolent. <br /><br />I looked at Christ's challenge in Luke and compared it to the challenge to Elijah at Horeb. There are parallels. But does that justify packaging this similarity in principle as "literary indebtedness" and then use it as a paving stone on the path to asserting that there was no Christ? It staggers the imagination. <br /><br />I believe it is feeble and obviously tendentious arguments such as this that undermines the credibility of such Biblical critics. On the other hand, I would readily admit that there are similar arguments of vested interest to be found on the other side among advocates of Christianity. Wouldn't be nice if we could shed ourselves of the right wing and the left wing and find the center. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08487906691943831671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-51120779342901378262012-12-30T03:45:10.274+13:002012-12-30T03:45:10.274+13:00Well, here's hoping that you'll get around...Well, here's hoping that you'll get around to really IMPORTANT authors, like Dr. Robert Thiel.<br /><br />He's just started a new church, you know: Continuing Church of God Overseer and successors, a corporation sole.<br /><br />You can find more specifics on his blog site:<br /><br />http://www.cogwriter.com/news/church-history/announcing-the-continuing-church-of-god/<br /><br />That's quite a thing: A new Apostle! (As if we haven't had enough of them being sent forth from their former cults and founding their own.)<br /><br />Let me see if I get this right: CCoGOaSaCS.<br /><br />My spell checker just committed suicide.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-62731149647976530392012-12-29T20:56:30.686+13:002012-12-29T20:56:30.686+13:00I look forward to seeing what you think of Price&#...I look forward to seeing what you think of Price's book. I'll be getting it myself whenever Amazon starts getting copies in.Paul D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13483419817200339955noreply@blogger.com