tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post8967374405991000188..comments2024-03-12T11:58:24.510+13:00Comments on Otagosh: Ron Fraser on ChristchurchGavin Rhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17965552923012880262noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-50583564917825387892013-10-10T17:00:48.320+13:002013-10-10T17:00:48.320+13:00there is a prayer rock up there some where that n...there is a prayer rock up there some where that needs to be dislodged.lnrdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08888674081204838689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-83195661581260179382013-10-08T02:46:04.602+13:002013-10-08T02:46:04.602+13:00Wow, I'm just reading these posts as another s...Wow, I'm just reading these posts as another site brought my attention to this one. While reading the article I was thinking about all the tornadoes that hit every year in Oklahoma. Moore has been devastated several times now. Wonder what THOSE people are doing wrong?? After all Ron Fraser says it's punishment sent from God Almighty! How about this recent tornado in Granbury ,Texas, that almost completely tore up an entire community and killed people. That one was centered on the "Habitat For Humanities Headquarters" there, and destroyed the next house that was to be dedicated, not to mention many others. Wonder what THOSE people are doing wrong?? I better go warn them that Ron Fraser from the "Philadelphia Church of God", (and just happens to be headquartered in Oklahoma not far from MOORE), has said they are being punished by God for what ever evil they are doing there. I am still curious why there are so many tornadoes in Oklahoma all around PCG headquarters??Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11814413634365385083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-27133480138209163772011-03-02T20:17:23.078+13:002011-03-02T20:17:23.078+13:00Baywolf, Whoa Nellie!!
Now you are getting into m...Baywolf, Whoa Nellie!!<br /><br />Now you are getting into my realm of expertise; and off the top of my head, I can think of half a dozen reasons you should rethink that statement.<br /><br />But, to put it succinctly, there is just not enough good data to prove or disprove ANYTHING, and certainly not enough to support such a sweeping generalization. Furthermore, ALL of the conclusions regarding ancestral DNA markers are based on certain assumptions(!) which may or may not be true.larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11207263922457941293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-59866917702620102242011-03-01T09:17:34.199+13:002011-03-01T09:17:34.199+13:00larry,
The results of the Human Genome Project sa...larry,<br /><br />The results of the Human Genome Project says British Israelism isn't true.<br /><br />Sorry, the DNA/RNA markers are just not there.Baywolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04211521337249018038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-71897409218739943492011-02-27T04:31:15.420+13:002011-02-27T04:31:15.420+13:00Becker said,
"British Israelism can't be...Becker said,<br /><br />"British Israelism can't be a theory because it isn't true -- it's a nonsensical idea of alternative history which never happened. It is the people who promote British Israelism are the ones who do the harm."<br /><br />Really??!! I am always impressed by folks who KNOW what is and isn't true. Are you one of those immortals like Duncan McCloud, who have followed the Israelites through all their arduous journeys since their captivity? I'll just make a wild guess, and say that you probably aren't. <br /><br />But, since this is Gavin's blog, and he probably wouldn't appreciate further argument on this topic, I will drop it.larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11207263922457941293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-17684633624307574052011-02-27T03:12:44.018+13:002011-02-27T03:12:44.018+13:00Good call, Byker Bob.
Armstrongists are pathetic ...Good call, Byker Bob.<br /><br />Armstrongists are pathetic losers who have perfected successful failure.<br /><br />It's in the results, and the fruit has proven itself to be consistently poisoned.<br /><br />As an exercise in futility, let Ron Fraser today predict something unusual which could not have been foreseen and observe whether or not he is a false prophet, just as his god, that Six Pack Prophet, he worships is.<br /><br />It would have given Armstrongists so much more credibility if they had specifically predicted in detail the earthquake in Christchurch even days before it happened, but it is clear that the Spirit of Prophecy has failed them yet again -- just as it did September 11, 2001 and every other major catastrophe they managed to miss.<br /><br />A 100% failure rate does not inspire confidence.<br /><br />And the distorted perception of pseudoscience between cause and effect, as Byker Bob, just doesn't cut it.<br /><br />Neither does revisionist history, such as British Israelism: As a talisman of predictions, it is as effective as using a bowling ball as a crystal ball.<br /><br />Prove yourselves; gird up you loins; give us prophecies we can take to the bank or just admit that you're full of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-64048703275202675822011-02-26T12:33:05.098+13:002011-02-26T12:33:05.098+13:00British Israelism can't be a theory because it...British Israelism can't be a theory because it isn't true -- it's a nonsensical idea of alternative history which never happened. It is the people who promote British Israelism are the ones who do the harm.<br /><br />Ron Fraser caused pain and harm to those who suffered from the Christchurch catastrophe by spouting lies, deeply and firmly rooted in British Israelism.<br /><br />Armstrongists need to abandon the entire venue of error: It is wrong, based on lies and is inherently harmful. It will be extremely difficult for them to rethink their delusions and come to some sort of reality.<br /><br />Good luck.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-22507152940655239222011-02-26T12:32:00.960+13:002011-02-26T12:32:00.960+13:00I believe that if the types of "Christians&qu...I believe that if the types of "Christians" who find human fault and blame for natural events, (rather than simply joining in and giving aid) were correct, then think tanks for the CIA would have identified causative factors and would be implimenting them as solutions to geopolitical problems around the world.<br /><br />In other words, you have a nuclear problem in Iran? Round up large groups of homosexuals, and airlift them to Iran. Equip them with ruffinol, and turn them loose on the general populace. Jeez, I mean even Baalam knew how to use flagrant sinners in that way back in the days of the Torah! Big wrath on the Israelites!<br /><br />The flaw in Ron Fraser's logic is that what he calls sin is pretty much equally and evenly dispersed amongst the general population, all around the world. Also, if he bothered to study science, he would realize that shifting of the earth's plates is a natural phenomenon. Now, if earthquakes began occurring in clusters in massive frequencies and ways that defied science, maybe he would have a point.<br /><br />Churches based on or heavily relying upon marketing techniques are manipulative at best, and are being operated in defiance of the lessons from the Sermon on the Mount.<br /><br />BBByker Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15602697337552385535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-62600981077248517652011-02-26T09:49:49.132+13:002011-02-26T09:49:49.132+13:00Becker, an interesting response. Even if everythin...Becker, an interesting response. Even if everything you said was true (which of course, it isn't), it STILL would not explain the irrational animosity directed toward a theory. And, apparently such animosity dates back over 200 years!<br /><br />Since when can information and/or an idea as innocuous as British-Israelism be dangerous? Even if it is all propaganda, as you believe?larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11207263922457941293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-58309660940666594932011-02-26T06:27:28.939+13:002011-02-26T06:27:28.939+13:00In fact, British Israelism was first advanced by R...In fact, British Israelism was first advanced by Richard Brothers in 1793, when he first advanced himself as "The Nephew of the Almighty" as the Apostle of a new religion, the Anglo-Israelites. He was confined to a mental asylum from 1795 to 1806 as a danger to himself and others after he "prophesied" destruction of the monarchy. It should be no surprise that his prophecy built on his new religion of Anglo-Israelism of the Hebrews being restored to Jerusalem in 1798.<br /><br />As you would suspect, this nut case gained a following, mostly amonst the members of the Church of England.<br /><br />So now, let's see.<br /><br />Herbert Armstrong rebelled against the Church of God Seventh Day. He wanted to take over. They weren't buying it because he lacked the qualifications. He became an heretic, embracing British Israelism and plagiarizing the whole doctrine from Allen, wholesale. Herbert Armstrong was not satisifed with his just being able to publish his prophetic articles in <i>The Bible Advocate</i>. He had to go out on his own and spread his false prophecies to become a false prophet.<br /><br />He convinced as many as 120,000 people at a time to believe his nutty ideas based on a thoroughly disproved distorted perception fantasies. Yes, his predictions about the United States and Britain losing World War II he made in 1943 and we all know how 1975 in Prophecy turned out.<br /><br />If it were that the damage was limited to a few delusional ideas, it might have been mostly harmless. Nevertheless, the gross damage done by abuse and neglect on his part to the people who followed him have been well documented.<br /><br />Now we have Ron Fraser as just one of those who have carried on the legacy of insanity.<br /><br />Ron Fraser on Christchurch: If you want an example of obsession, now there's a real example of obsession.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-54713622083725490862011-02-26T03:26:20.427+13:002011-02-26T03:26:20.427+13:00I just grow weary of these a-holes.
Stupid, white...I just grow weary of these a-holes.<br /><br />Stupid, white, old men; and I am rapidly joining their ranks (in age demographics anyway).<br /><br />How much evil in this world is a direct result of stupid old men?Baywolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04211521337249018038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-20617897594655905082011-02-25T23:03:10.729+13:002011-02-25T23:03:10.729+13:00Ron Fraser's comments are as despicable as the...Ron Fraser's comments are as despicable as the "Catch the fire ministries" comments blaming the Victorian bushfire tragedy on laws decriminalizing abortion in Victoria.<br /><br />I've attended church with Ron Fraser, and found him to be overly serious and aligned with the extreme / overly conservative political players so it was no surprise to see him end up in Flurry's abusive and dysfunctional group.Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16719976089855203933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-86149087426025933752011-02-25T20:10:58.557+13:002011-02-25T20:10:58.557+13:00Wow! My heart goes out to the victims of this trag...Wow! My heart goes out to the victims of this tragedy in New Zealand. And, it is certainly in poor taste to use such a catastrophe to advance an agenda.<br /><br />But, I STILL have not seen on this board a clear and concise RATIONAL explanation for the incredible and outlandish antagonism and animosity directed against a THEORY! The language used, borders on madness.<br /><br />You mentioned the DSM V; it would appear that a diagnosis of Irrational "anti-British Israelism" could be the basis for at least a Personality Disorder with Obsessive Traits....larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11207263922457941293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-52912413020249030.post-38355803164960982132011-02-25T18:50:37.745+13:002011-02-25T18:50:37.745+13:00British Israelism is a Mental Disorder that the Am...British Israelism is a Mental Disorder that the American Psychiatric Association hasn't gotten around to put in the DSM.<br /><br />I guess you'll have to wait for DSM VI, since it's too late for the DSM V coming out in June.<br /><br />Various treatments are available, but one thing is sure: To gain a foothold on sanity, it is necessary to stay away from the carrier because it is dreadfully contagious among those susceptible to the disease.<br /><br />The Center for Disease Control in your nation needs to be contacted as soon as an outbreak is identified.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com